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Canine Frisbee® Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

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Version History

3-31-97 Version 1.0

7-15-97 Version 1.1 Updated Club List, Added Info under Distance Event Descriptions

1-20-99 Version 1.2 Updated Club List, Added New organizations

Contents. What is in this FAQ?

bullet1 Types of Frisbee Dog Events
bullet1.1 Fetch and Catch ( aka Mini-Distance )
bullet1.2 Freestyle ( aka Freeflight )
bullet1.3 Accuracy
bullet1.4 Long Distance
bullet2 Basic Training Guide
bullet2.1 Starting out
bullet2.2 Basic Fetch and Retrieve
bullet2.3 Dropping the Frisbee disc
bullet2.4 Jumping
bullet3 Equipment
bullet3.1 Discs
bullet3.2 Sandpaper
bullet3.3 Traffic Cones
bullet3.4 Tape Measure
bullet3.5 Protection
bullet4 Clubs
bullet5 Organizations (Information on national competitions)
bullet6 Resources
bullet6.1 Books
bullet6.2 Videos
bullet6.3 Training and Routine Creation CD-ROM
bullet6.4 Training Material
bullet6.5 Where to buy Frisbee and other discs
bullet6.6 WWW Resources
bullet6.7 Newsletters

1. Types of Frisbee Dog Events

1.1 Catch and Retrieve ( Known as "Mini-Distance" in ALPO events and TossFetch™ in National Capital Air Canines™ events)

The catch and retrieve event is the backbone of most Frisbee dog events. It consists of a timed round where teams, which consist of one dog and one thrower, attempt to make as many successful throws/catches as possible before time runs out. Generally, the field is a rectangle laid out with lines representing distances from the throwing line, much like a football field with the throwing line being the end zone. Teams score more points for longer throw/catch combinations. Usually only one Frisbee disc may be used. Rounds usually last one minute.

1.2 Freestyle ( Known as "Freeflight" in ALPO events )

While catch and retrieve is the most common event, and the easiest for beginners, the most spectacular and fun to watch canine Frisbee event is freestyle. This event consists of a timed routine, usually performed to music. The routine is a choreographed presentation of tricks that involve, many different types of throws and catches. Some of the more spectacular tricks involve the dog leaping off the leg or back of the thrower and catching a flying disc that is tossed high in the air for the dog. Other tricks have the dog doing a half backflip combined with a half twist while catching a disc tossed over their head from the front (don't worry if you can't picture it, just go to an event with freestyle and see for yourself! ). The tricks one sees in freestyle are only limited by the creativity of the performers.

1.3 Accuracy

This event is currently available only at National Capital Air Canines™ sponsored competitions. While similar to catch and fetch, the targets are not yard markers on a field, but four circles of various sizes placed at various distances on a field. The further away a circle is, the more points awarded for a catch within that circle.

1.4 Long Distance

Jeff Hoot directs a long distance competition in the Florida area called the Quadraped(TM). The Quadraped consists of three rounds of long distance throwing/catching. Four teams each get 3 throws, and the top teams advance to the next round, leaving the team with the shortest throw to wait for the next tournament. You can find Jeff by looking in the contests section of this FAQ

The National Capital Air Canines™ often sponsor a long distance competition. This event is just what it sounds like. Thrower and dog must be behind the start line when the disc is released, and the point at which the canine catches the disc is marked. Throwers usually are given two throws. The longest throw/catch wins. This is a fun event and hopefully other clubs and groups will begin to add it to their event categories.

2. Frisbee Dog Basic Training Guide

( Also, refer to the Resources section for more detailed training guides )

2.1 Starting Out

Important. Consult your veterinarian before starting your dog on any form of athletic training program. You should verify that your pup has good hips, especially before attempting canine Frisbee, or else a potential problem of canine Hip Dysplasia could be aggravated.

Also Important. ALWAYS have water available for your dog while you are training them. Since dogs do not sweat, but expell heat primarily through their mouth and tongues, drinking water helps them cool down. Failure to provide water to a working dog can result in hyperthermia, which can be fatal.

The most important step in starting out is choosing the right dog! If this step is done right, then everything else is easy. One way to go about it is to acquire a pure-bred puppy of a breed that is known to do well at canine disc. The drawbacks to this method are that it costs money, you cannot really know how the pup will turn out, and you have to wait a year or more before the dog is able to train rigorously.

The second method of finding a good frisbee dog is to go to a shelter or rescue group and adopt an adult dog. This allows you to get to know the dog and test it for Frisbee dog aptitude. If the dog shows some interest in chasing the disc, then there is a good chance they will be a faithful, enthusiastic partner. The other up side to this method is that it is cheaper, and often the bond of a rescued dog is stronger than that of a dog raised from puppyhood.

Ideally, you want a dog with the following characteristics:

-Adult weight between 30 - 50 pounds.
-Lean build.
-Strong retrieval and tracking/chasing instincts
-Even temperament ( They will be off-lead with other dogs )
-Sound hips

Another important step toward good Frisbee dog training is basic obedience. The main point of this class should be to teach the owner, not the dog. Once an owner gets a feel for teaching basic obedience, then teaching disc dogs comes naturally.

Once you have a dog, here are a few things to do ( and not do! ) when beginning training:

DO
1. Throw the disc on the ground, rolling it like a wheel. This will allow the dog to get used to chasing it without a bad experience of possibly getting hit by a flying disc.
2. Allow the dog to have fun, and don't worry too much if they lose interest and/or don't bring the disc back.
3. Use a happy voice and try to convince your dog this is the best thing since Doggy Biscuits. Always make training an extra special time.
4. Dogs who are not interested in the disc may be enticed to play with it by sliding the disc on the ground in circles in front of the dog. They will pounce on the disc, and when they do, throw a roller and the dog should follow it. Some trainers will actually rub the disc lightly along the dogs torso to entice them to bite at it, but care should be taken not to cause the dog to associate fear with the disc, so make sure you talk to your dog with a happy, reassuring voice while doing this step.
5. Put the discs away when you are not there. You dog should realize the disc is a special toy that is only available when you are there.

DO NOT
1. DO NOT throw the disc directly at the dog. You want to avoid hitting the dog with the disc, especially in the face. Doing so could result in the dog developing a fear of the disc.
2. DO NOT push the dog to hard, to the point it is no longer having fun. If your pooch loses interest, then quit for now and start when you are both fresh.
3. DO NOT encourage a dog under 14 months to leap. The stress of landing can damage a dog that is not fully developed. If a young dog is a reckless leaper, then keep your throws low. Concerned owners can request that their veterinarian take x-rays to determine if their dog's growth plates have closed and they can begin jumping.

( Remember, if both you and your pup are not having fun, then you are trying too hard! )

2.2 Basic Fetch and Retrieve

Once your dog is going for the disc, it is time to encourage them to bring it back to you. For this, the long training lead is the best tool. Purchase or make your own 30'+ lead and put it on your dog. Then play as usual, only when the dog grabs the disc, call the dog and reel them in, all the while praising them. Make sure the lead is not attached to anything and that you are not holding onto it when the dog chases the disc. Only grab the lead when the disc is picked up and the retrieve should begin.

What if my dog drops the disc when I start pulling it in?
-Stop reeling right away, go and get the disc and start playing with the dog and disc. Eventually they should get the idea that you want the disc brought to you.

What if my dog resists the retrieval?
-If this is happening, then you need to work on recalls with your dog without the disc being present. If your dog does not come when called, then you cannot expect them to do so when they are distracted by a toy! A good obedience class does more for the owner than for the dog. In it you will learn basic training techniques that you can apply to canine disc.

Once your pup is returning the disc, the next step is to get them to catch it in the air. Unless your dog is already trying to catch the disc, care should be taken when throwing it for them. Keep the disc from flying in the direction of the dog, as it may hit them and cause them to be mistrustful of the disc. Do not be discouraged if your dog does not immediately take to the airborne catch. Some dogs take many months to establish the coordination needed to catch the Frisbee in mid-flight. Use low, flat trajectories to give your dog the best chance.

2.3 Dropping the disc

One commonly asked question is "How to I get my dog to drop the disc?" Well, a reliable "Drop!" command is very important to any canines well being, so try teaching your pup to drop anything they have. You can do this several ways. Perhaps the best is to tell your dog "drop", point to the ground, and have something else in your hand the dog wants, such as another disc, a toy, or perhaps occasionally a treat. When the dog drops what they are holding, praise them and then give them the other item. After the dog gets the idea, begin to "forget" to give them the other item, but keep praising them. Soon, the drop command will be automatic. For dogs that are not too stubborn, it is possible to teach the drop by squeezing the jaw joint gently and saying drop until the item is dropped. Then praise and maybe even give the item back to show that you want them to drop it, but don't plan to take away their toy forever.

2.4 Jumping

Care should be taken when training your dog to jump. When a dog leaps, it should land flat, so that all four legs absorb part of the impact. Many Frisbee dogs jump and land vertically, and this can stress the rear legs and spine. The canine knee is not designed to absorb vertical force, and a tear of one of the knee ligament is more likely in a vertical landing, especially if a dog is twisting at the same time. Try training your dog to jump by teaching them to jump through a hula hoop, or some other device that will not hurt them if they crash into it. This will force the dog the get their butts up in the air during a leap and land flat. Remember that young dogs, under 14 months, should not be encouraged to jump.

3. Frisbee Dog Equipment

3.1 Discs

Characteristics

Here are several key characteristics of flying discs:
1. Shape
2. Weight
3. Material
The ideal canine disc is light, thin, and made of soft but rigid material Types Flexible/Floppy Flexible/Floppy discs are great for starting out, for dogs that have dental problems, or show dogs that cannot afford the slightest risk of a broken tooth. While tennis balls and bones pose more risk of tooth damage than Fastback Frisbee discs, some folks may still want to use these flexible types:

1. Floppy Disc
A cloth/nylon disc with a rubber outer ring. Nice because they float! These discs are very flexible, and some tricks that require a rigid disc are difficult to perfrom with them

2. Nylabone
These are closer to 'regulation' than Floppy Discs, and are probably just as safe. Be aware that there are some version of the Nylabone disc that are harder than others. Make sure you get the flexible, rubbery type. Note that there is a Gumabone model with a bone shape extending out of the top of the disc. While safe and easy for dogs to pick up, these discs fly like bricks.

3 Frisbee Fastback
This is the disc of choice for most Frisbee dog enthusiasts. The Fastback Frisbee disc is a 107 gram disc made out of a soft PVC type plastic that a person can actually mar with a fingernail quite easily. They don't last as long as the harder types you can find in pet stores, but that means they are less damaging to the dog's teeth. The lightness of the Fastback allows it to remain aloft longer than most discs, and therefore give its canine pursuer more time to catch it.

4 Aerobie
Aerobie discs come in three flavors: The Aerobie Superdisc, which is made from a transparent plastic with a soft rubber rim. This disc will fly a long ways, and is light enough and soft enough to be considered a good doggie disc; The Aerobie Sprint flying ring, made from a hard plastic coated with a softer rubber. While this ring can be used with dogs also, its low profile makes it easy to put a lot of velocity behind it, so use it for short tosses or long distance throws, being careful to not throw it directly at your dog; Finally, the Aerobie Jelly disc is a flexible disc that is great for puppies or folks concerned about tooth wear and damage. This disc is a little more rigid than the Floppy Disc, so tricks like butterflys are a bit easier to perform.

4 Other discs
Any other discs used should be soft, have no protrusions, and should not be much heavier than 110 grams. In other words, the hard, generic 'doggie discs' one can sometimes find in pet stores or be given as promotional items should be avoided, as should 185 gram freestyle discs and especially golf discs.

3.2 Sandpaper

If you are using plastic discs, you need to maintain them. Keep them clean, since dirt on a spinning disc acts just like sandpaper on your dog's teeth. The dishwasher is a great place to clean discs! Also, the disc should be kept smooth. As a disc is used, it develops cuts and sharp dings that can cut your dog's mouth. Rather than simply throw them out, try sanding them:

Flexible Sanding Block

This tool can be found at any hardware store. It is a foam block that is covered with sandpaper, and easily conforms to the shape of a disc. It is better than regular sandpaper since it is not affected as much by water ( or dog slobber! )

Plumber's "Cloth"

This is 'sandpaper' for copper and pvc pipe. It comes in a roll of 1 inch wide "cloth" and can be easily torn into small pieces and used as needed. Since it is designed for plumber's, it is nearly impervious to water and slobber.

3.3 Cones

If you plan on competing with your dog, even if you you do not plan to be a serious competitor, you may want to purchase some some orange cones to mark off the scoring distances when you practice. This will give you a better idea of where the distances are that will give you a higher score. Cones can be found at toy or sporting goods stores.

3.4 Measuring Tape

You can buy a crank type, 30 yard plastic measuring tape at most hardware stores. These are far easier to use than the retractable metal measuring tapes most folks are familiar with.

3.5 Protection

Once a dog and owner get serious about dog Frisbee, they begin to train for freestyle routines, where dogs may leap off the bodies of the thrower. If you try this without thinking, you will find out just how much damage a 50 pound canine can do leaping off a human's back, even if the dogs nail's have been trimmed, and the thrower is wearing a sweatshirt!

Neoprene

Fortunately, there is neoprene!

Vest

The best protection you can get is a neoprene diving vest. It protects the entire upper torso, and is easy to get on and off. They can be pricey, but they have been found at Wall-Mart for under $30. Remember, you don't need a very thick one (2mm is usually sufficient). Often Dive Shops sell their used rental vests cheap. Also, Diver's Outlet http://www.diversoutlet.com/ has a GREAT vest for $30 plus shipping

Thigh wraps

Normally used for thigh support, these thigh wraps are great protection for when your dog jumps off your thigh. They can be found at most sporting goods stores.

Waist Pad

The neoprene waist wrap is usually sold with the idea that it will help the wearer lose weight via sweating. While water loss is not true weight loss, these wraps are nevertheless great extra protection for when your dog missed a vault and lands a little lower than the diver's vest. These can be found right next to the thigh pads in most sporting good stores.

Safety Goggles

Don't forget to wear some form of eye protection if your dog does serious vaults. If a dog misses or thinks it may fall, it will try to grab/stand on anything they can get their paws on, including your face. Also, a vaulting dog is usually moving very quickly, and they can flail their legs as they fly by.

4. Frisbee Dog Clubs

Washington D.C.

National Capital Air Canines™
William Linne', Director
2830 Meadow Lane Falls Church, VA 22042
703-532-0709(Hot Line) -or- 703-K93-DISC (Cellular)
email: ncac@discdog.com
WWW : http://www.discdog.com
Info: NCAC is a Washington D.C. Area Frisbee Dog club that sponsors 8 or more competitions and several instructional clinics per year in the D.C. area, publishes a monthly newsletter, and organizes many social events for club members throughout the year, including a canoe trip, campout, and holiday party. NCAC competitions feature 2 skill levels with three different events in each division. Ribbons and prizes are awarded for the top three finishers in each event, and at the end of the season, the top scorer is awarded the Capital Cup.

California

California Canine Disc Masters
Andrew Mouser
15002 Larch Avenue
Lawndale, CA  90260
(310) 644-4344
andrewm@k9discmasters.com

Northern California Disc Dogs Extreme
Chris Perondi
P.O. Box 77965
Stockton, CA 95267
(209) 943-5016
chrisp@gotnet.net

Southern California K9 Air Corps
Mike Miller
1529 Golden Rose
Hacienda Heights, CA  91745
(626) 912-8146
K9town@flash.net

Colorado

Northern Colorado Disc Dogs
Chris Sexton
801 Aztec Dr. #A
Ft. Collins, CO 80521
(970) 495-0141
eyebum@verinet.com

The Front Range Flyers K9 Disc Club
Rick Brydum
777 E, Kenyon Ave.
Englewood, CO 80110
(303) 789-3663
FRFlyers@aol.com

Florida

Central Florida Dog & Disc Club
Chuck Hensley
2937Jennifer Dr.
Lakeland, FL  33810-5109
(941) 859-4770
Dogzilla@gate.net

Dan Munson
6511 N. Five Acre Rd.
Plant City, FL 33565
(813) 968-2206

Greater Jacksonville Disc and Dog Club
Lawrence Fredrick
2741 Dahlonega Drive
Jacksonville, FL 32224
(904) 223-4676
frisbee@leading.net

Georgia

The Greater Atlanta Dog & Disc Club
Steven & Melissa Heeter
63 Red Top Circle SE
Cartersville, GA  30120
woofsportsusa@mindspring.com

Illinois

The Windy City K-9 Disc Club
Tom Wehrli
(630) 355-2777
quazius@xnet.com

Missouri

St. Louis Disc Dog Club
Bob Niemeier
366 Flora Place
St. Louis, MO 63110
(314) 771-1763
bob@justcallbob.com

North Carolina

Triad Dog Sports & Training (Flipside Flyers)
Kristie Urbine
7607 Penns Grove
Summerfield, NC 27358
K9kruzr@nr.infi.net

New York

The Northeastern Disc Dog Network
Ed Jakubowski
22 Louis Place
Nesconset, NY 11767
(860) 859-0103

Texas

Dallas Dog & Disc Club
Chuck Middleton
16501 Dundrennan Ln.
Dallas, TX 75248
(972) 851-5706
midlton1@airmail.net

Houston Canine Frisbee Disc Club
Ken Bain
10603 Chevy Chase
Houston, TX 77042
(713) 789-2370

John Tobin
10603 Chevy Chase
Houston, TX 77042
(713) 789-2370
John.R.Tobin@digital.com

Washington State

Northwest Dog & Disc Club
Ken Cooper
13913-137th St. KPN
Gig Harbor, WA 98329
(360) 653-8133

Nyle "Swanee" Swainston
13913-137th St. KPN
Gig Harbor, WA 98329
(253) 884-9697
mrrivers@juno.com

The Cascade Dog & Disc Club
Steve Perdue
18616 109th Street
Renton, WA 98055
(206) 277-7418

Anne Martin
7644 147th St.
Surrey, B.C. Canada
V3S3B1
(604) 590-4529

Australia

Disc Dogs Down Under
Matt Clarke
6/65 King Rd
Hornsby, NSW 02077
Australia
61 2 9482 5057
mclarke@one.net.au

Germany

Rock 'n' Doggin' Disc Dog Squad
Jochen Schleicher
Fruehlingsstrasse 2
76161 Karlsruhe
Germany
0721/376412
oz666@t-online.de

5. Frisbee Dog Organizations and National Competitions

5.1 ALPO Canine Frisbee disc Championships

ALPO Canine Frisbee disc Championships
4060-D Peachtree Road, Suite 326 Altanta, GA 30319
1-800-786-9240
email: prb@skyhoundz.com

ALPO sponsors over a hundred community contests throughout the country each year. There are also seven regional qualifying tournaments culminating in the invitational World Finals on the mall in Washington D.C. You can call the number above for free schedules and training guides.

5.2 The Quadruped

This is the premiere long distance disc dog competition. The Quadruped, run by Jeff Hoot.

www: http://www.thequadruped.com/

5.3 Flying Disc Dog Open

This is easily the most interesting and diverse national competition in the country. Try your hand at a disc dog obstacle course, or the popular toss and fetch and freestyle.

www: http://www.airmajorsdoghouse.com/

5.4 IDDHA

International Disc Dog Handlers Association.
E-mail: IDDHA@aol.com
web http://www.iddha.com/

IDDHA is a new organization whose purpose is sanctioning disc dog contests, and titling disc dogs.

6. Frisbee Dog Resources

6.1 Books

"How to Teach Your Dog to Play Frisbee" by Karen Pryor, published in '85.

"Frisbee Dogs, How to Raise, Train and Compete" by Peter Bloeme. 1991, 1994. ISBN 0-9629346-2-3
Peter and Whirlin' Wizard are the 1984 Ashley Whippet Invitational World Champions, and Peter is the 1976 Men's World Frisbee disc Champion. This book is considered the definitive work on the subject of Frisbee Dogs.

"Jumping from A to Z: Teaching Your Dog to Soar" M. Christine Zink, DVM. 1996

6.2 Videos

Peter Bloeme's Frisbee Dog: Training Video
Peter Bloeme's Frisbee Dogs:Throwing Video
Alpo Canine Frisbee Disc Championships 1996 World Finals Tape
( the above products can be ordered by calling 1-800-786-9240 )
( We have also seen the video sold in pet stores with a free disc )

6.3 Training and Freestyle Routine Creation CD-ROM

Glen Speckert has created a CD-ROM with a lot of great features. Visit his WWW site to find out the details. http://www.DogDisc.com/ email: speckert@DogDisc.com

6.4 Training Material

Free Pamphlet from the Friskies/ALPO Canine Frisbee disc Championships. Contact the Friskies/ALPO Canine Frisbee Disc Championships ( listed elsewhere in this FAQ ) for this free training guide

6.5 Discs

The regulation canine disc used in most competitions is the Fastback Frisbee disc. The Fastback can be bought through many of the Frisbee dog clubs and organizations listed in this FAQ, and through many mail order flying disc catalogues.

6.6 WWW Resources

Many of the clubs listed in the clubs sections of this FAQ have links pages and training material. Two of the more diverse are:
National Capital Air Canines™ http://www.discdog.com/ (Complete with and online video training guide)
The Dallas Dog and Disc Club http://www.dallasdogndisc.com/ (with tips from some of the top competing teams in the country)

6.7 Newletters

There is a national unaffiliated newsletter called The Disc Dog Quarterly. As of the time of this FAQ update, the first edition is not yet out, but it looks promising. http://www.ddqjournal.com/

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